tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25690029.post5411342990804416115..comments2023-12-19T14:27:26.711-08:00Comments on pogo a go-go: Ch-Ch-ChangesFiLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06744819120424789247noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25690029.post-53549167828924931932008-11-10T06:30:00.000-08:002008-11-10T06:30:00.000-08:00smashing to have you back and fighting our corner ...smashing to have you back and fighting our corner mister. <BR/>xally.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00785337830247364400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25690029.post-29075086651442570182008-11-08T16:00:00.000-08:002008-11-08T16:00:00.000-08:00i'm pinning my hopes on gloria allred, san francis...i'm pinning my hopes on gloria allred, san francisco lawyer extraordinaire, who is leading the fight to challenge the legality of the proposition/law.<BR/><BR/>alas, lyle points out an interesting finding regarding the folks who split their ticket, so to speak, between obama and prop 8. i think it's more important at the moment that obama won, although that in no way means that i think prop 8 is less important. i'm just trying to look at the bigger picture, and i think it's more likely that californians will be able to rectify this mistake with obama in the white house than it would be if obama weren't elected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25690029.post-45509809160584706252008-11-07T11:25:00.000-08:002008-11-07T11:25:00.000-08:00Dearest Beesh, amen!!Dearest Beesh, amen!!FiLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06744819120424789247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25690029.post-70032360014714687532008-11-07T11:24:00.000-08:002008-11-07T11:24:00.000-08:00Dearest Agnes, many thanks, though I'm not sure ho...Dearest Agnes, many thanks, though I'm not sure how well said it was! It was certainly said with a burning heart...<BR/><BR/>Dearest Mentok, as ever the voice of reason - and thank you for that! Indeed, I agree that from a practical perspective it is largely a matter of semantics. I say "largely" because there are some tangible benefits at the state level that accrue to marriages, but not civil unions (e.g. filing jointly for state taxes).<BR/><BR/>That said, the semantics are important, as they send the following message loud and clear to the gay community: "You are second-class citizens. I perceive you as a threat to my way of life. I will not treat you as equals." And that's just not acceptable.<BR/><BR/>I'm also not sure conceding the nomenclature balance will dampen down homophobia; it may well give it compost to thrive. But I do agree that it will take time to change attitudes such that 10-20 years from now we'll all be saying "WTF was THAT all about??"FiLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06744819120424789247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25690029.post-80372741700577772262008-11-07T11:16:00.000-08:002008-11-07T11:16:00.000-08:00Yup. One step forward towards rationality, opennes...Yup. One step forward towards rationality, openness and compassion - one step back towards the stupidity and fear so many of us seem not to be able to shake off. Thanks for reminding us that all's not rosy in the post-W world, FiL.<BR/><BR/>I heard some evangelical on the radio going on about Prop 8 and she was all like "Well the next thing you know it'll be cats and women, dogs and cats, men and pigs..." and someone else droning on about how it undermined the sanctity of 'real' marriages. Really? If a notion as phantasmagoric as that can undermine the conviction of your own marriage, hoo boy - that relationship weren't built on that much to begin with, was it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25690029.post-3600197348153997912008-11-07T08:23:00.000-08:002008-11-07T08:23:00.000-08:00Before I start, let me say I agree wholeheartedly ...Before I start, let me say I agree wholeheartedly with you about this Prop 8 business. The danger of too much democracy, eh?<BR/><BR/>The great irony of this Prop 8 business is that blacks and Hispanics overwhelmingly voted for it. So, in California, those stalwart volunteers who were driving Obama supporters to the polls were also driving Prop 8 voters to the polls! Welcome to the whacky world of politics, kids.<BR/><BR/>Politics is the art of possible and, as much as we'd like the world to change overnight, we typically have to focus on achieving acceptable compromises.<BR/><BR/>Remember, contrary to the propaganda at the time, Tony Blair didn't make gay marriage legal in Britain. He brought in a form of civil union for gays which, as I understand it, still exists in California.<BR/><BR/>The thing that obsesses the ultra-religious types is the word "marriage". Few of them object to civil union, or at least they don't object as strongly. So, fine, let them have their word. <BR/><BR/>If having two different words for marriage is all that it takes to make hysterical homophobia go to sleep for awhile, maybe that's not such a bad strategy. <BR/><BR/>And then, 10-20 years from now, when the practice is ingrained and irreversible, then some bureaucrat can say "hey, it's inefficient having two words for marriage. Let's just have one." Sneaky, huh?Mentokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07011803235817936664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25690029.post-85592401343822592872008-11-07T03:26:00.000-08:002008-11-07T03:26:00.000-08:00"For goodness sake, why shouldn't two folks who lo..."For goodness sake, why shouldn't two folks who love each other be allowed to commit themselves to each other formally and legally, regardless of their sex?"<BR/><BR/>Exactly! It infuriates me that people feel that they have the right to dictate to another person, that they feel that they have the right to tell them who they can and can't love and commit to. It's absolute hogwash. And so bloody ignorant. <BR/><BR/>Well said FiL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com